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Zhou Feng · Sep 26, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

U see lots of Monks but prolly most of them stop playing a monk because of the bitching they get when someone dies.

On a side notes anet has to do something about the monk issue. Most of them are nice but you get the same number that are arrogant and rude.

Yesterday trying to get to fow, we finally get a monk and I ask him/her if they are healers so they answered and I quote: "if you ask me again then I will leave the group"

I told him f yourself and kicked him from the group.

Some people abuse the power that was given to them and I have no patience for that. I pay the 1k for fow without asking but as soon as some monk comes in and says I do not need to pay for fow, you know what will happen next. They will get the boot from me.

Just look for Zhou Feng hes an excellent healer :P

Most people start out with Monks because well they are indeed a popular class. In PvE its all swell you can heal or protect almost uninhibited, freely... but once they try out PvP and become the target of choice of many teams. And suffer the annoying deaths that befalls a monk in a bad/crappy/non organized team, and suffer the consequences that befits a bad monk with energy management, team members dying, insults and blah blah most people give up the mantle.

Me I just practiced healing in PvE. Then went to arenas. Then slowly gained my wisdom and experience from there. Currently I can play pure healer, pure protection, arena healer/prot hybrid, arena pure healer, arena pure prot. Oh and unless you are a Mo/W or any hardy Mo/? combination (Mo/E with line in earth comes to mind) A monk smiter is not a viable option and a waste of resources.

Zhou Feng · Sep 26, 2005, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

to be a good monk you need to find massive enjoyment in seeing long bars of bright red. very few people have this... quirk. the people who don't tend to get bored. personally i tend to get a bit bored in a really good group. not all that much thinking involved. bad groups are waaay more fun.

monk is not easy for most. many simply don't have the mentality. sure it is easy until after the desert but then you need to start thinking. and i never, not once, attacked anything when i did Thunderhead keep. i didn't notice how long i'd been in the fort. all there was was the little red bars.

Most hilarious post Ive read on monks... heh heh made me laugh. But so so true. All you tend to see are the red health bars.... however sticking to seeing red health bars is counter productive in PvP. You must also have slef awareness of your environment. So a good monk manages his view sight on environment and party health bars. While managing proper energy management, proper dodging techniques and knowing when to heal at the correct moment lest that member falls to yet another spike.

Wosco · Sep 26, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

On a side notes anet has to do something about the monk issue. Most of them are nice but you get the same number that are arrogant and rude.

What do you suggest anet does to arrogant and rude monks?

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

I told him f yourself and kicked him from the group.

Why is your profession allowed to act like this but not monks?

Tmm Ryan · Sep 26, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Been waiting for this moment. Im Not saying the monks make the party, but i am saying that they make the party a party.

and yea it think everyone has a monk in there character slots?

prowler · Sep 26, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

actually i've been noticing (in the later levels) that there is a shortage of elementist. things are looking good for us eles

TGgold · Sep 26, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

It's not his profession, it's his character and moral standings that make him act like that. I'd assume he does it with anyone like that.

Anyways, I love playing my monk, and I'm recently gone full protect because I love it. I'm a bit strange though, I use power block for energy (I don't have any better skills for him right now...and I'm damn good at interrupting since my primary is a mesmer). Anyways, there's a lot of time people don't want a prot monk and if baffles me. They're like "Need 2 Healing Monks" and I was was rejected for being protect....wierd. Personall I like having a Primary Healer, primary protector, then a support healer. I always call for these roles instead of "Healing/Protect Monk" because I find some classes to be useful in their own way <3

Also, people stop monks once they can't solo anymore. I've seen it happen a lot, like in LA I noticed a big drop in monks from say, ascalon.

Pandora's box · Sep 26, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Zhou Feng

Me I just practiced healing in PvE. Then went to arenas. Then slowly gained my wisdom and experience from there. Currently I can play pure healer, pure protection, arena healer/prot hybrid, arena pure healer, arena pure prot. Oh and unless you are a Mo/W or any hardy Mo/? combination (Mo/E with line in earth comes to mind) A monk smiter is not a viable option and a waste of resources.

Yes! Thats the great thing about monks: they can play so many roles. I would advice you to change 2nd profession once you have enough skillpoints: It really adds much to your gameplay to try differend builds, including smiting monks

Cartoonhero · Sep 26, 2005, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

I was playing my warrior thru the last mission yesterday so I could cap "Hundred Blades" and about half way thru the mission we had a hard fight with a mob, after the fight our monk made this comment: "You guys can thank me now for saving your asses!". Of course some of the brown nosers in the group started kissing his butt right away, so I commented: "How about some love for the warrior?"....silence "no love for me". I said that you might be healing, but I'm tanking lvl 28 monsters solo, and if I die then they're just gonna kill you, so why should you get special treatment or respect over any other member in our party. The monk just laughed at me (at least he didn't leave), most monks don't like it when you talk back to them and they usually threaten to leave your group unless you shut up or start brown nosing also.

i feel ya on that one. warriors get no love, but i know most parties would be dead without them. i also have an e/mo, and even with her healing skills, she takes damage way to fast. so NOT a tank. I also have a monk at yaks right now, and i plan on being pure heal/protect, and dont worry, i wont be an arrogant jerk. just dont bite my head off if i cant keep 7 other people alive in a huge mob.

i dont understand when people try and alter the job a class was ment to do, like the other day when i saw a ele with a bow...sure its good for pulling, but he never nuked a single enemy, nor did he do anything slightly elementialist. and get this..his secondary wasnt a ranger...wtf.

I've also noticed a shortage in eles latley, as i get into parties with my emo fairly quickly. tis quite nice. now if only there'd be a shortage of tanks..lol.

Sanji · Sep 26, 2005, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I've had plenty of successful parties, PvE or otherwise, that didn't have Warriors. I'll leave whether it is in spite of not having Warriors or because of not having any Warriors up to you.

lg5000 · Sep 26, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35

I got my monk because... I felt like taking a more pacifist position, something about my personality attracted me to monks.

Sure, at the beginning you have to smite/heal rather than go straight healer, but, after a while, you get all the spells to go straight heal (and that was scary as hell, having no offensive skill on my bar)

Admitedly, I did the whole game with my boyfriend's ranger, he'd start a group which already had a monk (me) in it. Consequently, I didn't bother trying to read maps but blindly followed the group, concentrating on lifebars instead of the actual fight. (since then, I've learned to use a map and have learned that running is a good thing sometimes).

But, I didn't choose to become a monk for a popularity contest. Nor did I start my mesmer for that.

These days, having finished all the missions with both chars, I take my pick on what I feel like, being annoying and seeing the fight (and scenery) or helping the team by healing them.

As for not healing someone... I've done that once... decided if that guy aggros 1 more mob... he's not getting healed.. then hit 'heal party' because the rest of the team was in trouble.. so yeah, I'll heal all and everyone and feel guilty as hell if someone dies.

And yes, I will ask any monk joining my group what they do, heal, prot or smite.. just so I know how to change my skill bar or what henchie to drag along. It makes sense, it also makes sense to ask your ele what he/she is instead of blindly assuming that they are a pyromancer, or asking your necro what they do, instead of assuming they're a minion master.

If I know what my team does/does not do, it's easier to adjust a strategy, and as a healer, I want to know who tanks so I can focus on them at the beginning of battle.

KamikazeChicken · Sep 27, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16

The majority of monks are idiots; keep in mind I play and love being a monk. You can tell you're a decent monk when you complete hell's precipice or other late-in-the-game missions with only a smiter/healer hybrid assit healing by spamming other/breeze/party. >.>

Last night I took a group of 7, including myself, through Hell's with another Mo/Me who thought they were a primary Me. The majority of the time I solo healed with random spurts of breeze or other to top a player off. o.O

Players who pretend to be healers give monks in general a bad name. Most people quit their monks before Maguuma, and most of the ones who don't are horrid anyway. >.> Sometimes I just don't know what people are thinking when they try and play a monk; those times make me glad my Monk has 69 energy to spam with and proper energy management.

lg5000 · Sep 27, 2005, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

The majority of monks are idiots; keep in mind I play and love being a monk. You can tell you're a decent monk when you complete hell's precipice or other late-in-the-game missions with only a smiter/healer hybrid assit healing by spamming other/breeze/party. >.>.

That was when I realised I can't be too bad a monk.. After finishing abadon's mouth in a great group with a heal/smite monk and myself healing... and it being now 4am, we decided to do hell's principle... Until I re-did the mission with my mesmer, I had NO idea what had happened during it due to falling asleep while using word of healing on the red bars that needed it.

All up, it's a good thing that sometimes I dream of healing...

KaPe · Sep 27, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by lg5000

That was when I realised I can't be too bad a monk.. After finishing abadon's mouth in a great group with a heal/smite monk and myself healing... and it being now 4am, we decided to do hell's principle... Until I re-did the mission with my mesmer, I had NO idea what had happened during it due to falling asleep while using word of healing on the red bars that needed it.

Well, no offense, but if you can't do *anything* except for staring at bars and falling asleeep - you *are* bad monk. If you do that, you will find yourself stuck between people/rocks while trying to reach someone you're supposed to heal, you won't even notice *you're* the one that is attacked and you're supposed to withdraw, you won't pay attention to "I have Blind on me" calls from Warriors, and many other things.
I'm not really expert on MMORPGs, but I'd say Monk profession in GW is pretty "fast" - sure you stare at bars, but there's no healing once per 10second, intense battle will have you clicking like mad and thinking about your energy management at the same time.
Or just stop playing when you're about to fall asleep. Really, some arguments are just... meh.

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

You can tell you're a decent monk when you complete hell's precipice or other late-in-the-game missions with only a smiter/healer hybrid assit healing by spamming other/breeze/party

The hell does that prove? That *you* saved the party and are great? I'd say it just shows that you had good group that didn't really need much healing in the first place. What does playing hybrid has to do with it? I just finished Last Day Dawns as "hybrid" with Baltazar, CoF, heals and status removals - but what does it prove? If it wasn't for entire group working together, including 2nd boon monk, we'd be annihilated on first Lord(and not even Armageddon Lord).

Myself, I wouldn't really play Monk, since I already did in few previous MMORPGs, but that was one of reasons my friends asked me to do it again - I did my job well(not perfectly, but good enough), so they knew I would find myself in GW - and they were right, I'm not really complaining.

And to completely get back OT - That won't be me. I hate making/joining parties. It has nothing to do with "PUGs quality", I simply dislike waiting 10+minutes to get full group, while I could get few friends and couple of henchies in a minute. Oh yeah, and trying to find someone in SF for quest -

farmers everywhere. I don't really solo farm, I did couple of times, but it doesn't really appeal to me.

KamikazeChicken · Sep 27, 2005, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by KaPe

The hell does that prove? That *you* saved the party and are great? I'd say it just shows that you had good group that didn't really need much healing in the first place. What does playing hybrid has to do with it? I just finished Last Day Dawns as "hybrid" with Baltazar, CoF, heals and status removals - but what does it prove? If it wasn't for entire group working together, including 2nd boon monk, we'd be annihilated on first Lord(and not even Armageddon Lord).

I'm quite impressed you needed a second healer when the entire quest can be done with one healer alone.

Hybrids are usually a hinder to a team, not a benefit. They lack the ability to do any one thing exceptionally well, and they're usually not able to help in extreme circumstances. I'm personally just tired of having to watch after the normal 6 people and then an extra seventh that suffers from role confusion.

Makes my life easier knowing I can rely on the monk next to me to help heal instead of casting things like backfire or banish. >.>

lg5000 · Sep 27, 2005, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by KaPe

Well, no offense, but if you can't do *anything* except for staring at bars and falling asleeep - you *are* bad monk. If you do that, you will find yourself stuck between people/rocks while trying to reach someone you're supposed to heal, you won't even notice *you're* the one that is attacked and you're supposed to withdraw, you won't pay attention to "I have Blind on me" calls from Warriors, and many other things.
I'm not really expert on MMORPGs, but I'd say Monk profession in GW is pretty "fast" - sure you stare at bars, but there's no healing once per 10second, intense battle will have you clicking like mad and thinking about your energy management at the same time.
Or just stop playing when you're about to fall asleep. Really, some arguments are just... meh.

Hehe, take into consideration that I had gotten up the previous day at 6:30am, and by the time we had finished (with more or less the same group we did thunderhead keep with) it was 5am. I'm suprised that you think in the last mission anyone could get blind on them (I might be mistaken here) either way, my setup did not include anything to help them anyway, seeing as I was going straight healer.

No, I did not run into any major energy problems. Yes, the group knew how tired I was and I stopped the entire game for 5 mins getting a coffee to keep awake. If we lost anyone due to death, I can't remember it although, I believe our only warrior did die once.

To liven things up a little, our ranger, my boyfriend.. decided to chuck a Leroy Jenkins... leaving me to swear at him while keeping everyone alife. he did it to wake me up.

What needs to be said is that the group was awsome, we had many things in common although we had never met before, and I have fond memories of the missions previous to hells prenciple.

Am I a good monk? I dunno... Do you have a chance to die while I'm healing? Yes! Is it my fault? There is a chance that you're out of my range or that I sacrificed your life to keep someone (who, to me) more important alive, or I'm having a lousy day (I have left a party after a failed quest after appologising for lack of heals on my behalf).

Am I able to keep an unifused person alive against the Mursat? I dunno.. I can for a while, but yeah... most monks can't and I don't see the point in it either.

Son of Mooky · Sep 27, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20

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Originally Posted by KaPe

Well, no offense, but if you can't do *anything* except for staring at bars and falling asleeep - you *are* bad monk. If you do that, you will find yourself stuck between people/rocks while trying to reach someone you're supposed to heal, you won't even notice *you're* the one that is attacked and you're supposed to withdraw, you won't pay attention to "I have Blind on me" calls from Warriors, and many other things.
I'm not really expert on MMORPGs, but I'd say Monk profession in GW is pretty "fast" - sure you stare at bars, but there's no healing once per 10second, intense battle will have you clicking like mad and thinking about your energy management at the same time.
Or just stop playing when you're about to fall asleep. Really, some arguments are just... meh.

The hell does that prove? That *you* saved the party and are great? I'd say it just shows that you had good group that didn't really need much healing in the first place. What does playing hybrid has to do with it? I just finished Last Day Dawns as "hybrid" with Baltazar, CoF, heals and status removals - but what does it prove? If it wasn't for entire group working together, including 2nd boon monk, we'd be annihilated on first Lord(and not even Armageddon Lord).

They " " are called quotation marks not * * asterisks for stressing a point

burai · Sep 27, 2005, 10:08 AM // 10:08

I love playing my healer monk - once I get past all the usual nonsense.

"ACCEPT MONK ACCEPT!!" when you walk into any town.
"heal HEAL!!" when some of the team are running round like headless chickens.
"rez REZ!!" when some of the headless chickens die.
"crapmonk!!" when all the other headless chickens die.

Still, it is quite rewarding just to get the occasional "greatmonk!!". I have by no means perfected my healing skills, but I like to think I'm getting there. Just need to be a little humble.

It's nice to be popular though

badd · Sep 27, 2005, 10:47 AM // 10:47

i started a monk few days ago and i'd be happy to go in fow wit anyone

i just gota get ascended first hehe lvl4.Healer btw

Venus · Sep 27, 2005, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by burai

I love playing my healer monk - once I get past all the usual nonsense.

"ACCEPT MONK ACCEPT!!" when you walk into any town.
"heal HEAL!!" when some of the team are running round like headless chickens.
"rez REZ!!" when some of the headless chickens die.
"crapmonk!!" when all the other headless chickens die.

Still, it is quite rewarding just to get the occasional "greatmonk!!". I have by no means perfected my healing skills, but I like to think I'm getting there. Just need to be a little humble.

It's nice to be popular though

Like burai said, it's really rewarding (for me anyway) when someone says (during a mission or whatever) "great monk" It makes me feel like I have accomplished somthing and made someone elses gaming experience better.... Of course, that didnt stop me from deleting my monk a week ago to I could replace her with a Necromancer. ^-^

KaPe · Sep 27, 2005, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

I'm quite impressed you needed a second healer when the entire quest can be done with one healer alone.

I bet you could do it with full mesmer group if you tried hard enough, that's not the point. I simply doesn't see being hybrid in group and winning as a proof of my skills..

"They " " are called quotation marks not * * asterisks for stressing a point"

That is *really* important.

I use it that way, and use "" for making fun out of something. Surely you have bigger problems than that.